How to Argue with a Statist

Looks like the MSM has chosen Mitt Romney, but Ron Paul continues to campaign and fill college tennis court sized stadiums. You can still send him money too and that's ok that it won't provide him with any more of a chance to win because he runs a Debt-Free campaign and you can be assured it will be spent for Liberty. But we, the freedom lovers, must also help. Here at the CLF we've tried to provide a good reference point for when you are combing internet message forums and comment sections... places like the HuffPo, or Thomm Hartman's communist site... and you want spread the word of Liberty! Here is a *how to* on arguing with one of those statists who refuse to read a real economics book and learn something.


I. A good time saving measure to refute any "fact" that the liberal or neocon war monger makes in a comment is to first link to a good youtube video. Youtube is FILLED with them and all you need to do is search for the subject matter you are arguing about (i.e. hyper-inflation, weed, FEMA, 1960's lunch counters) along with the words "ron paul." Lots of great vids from RonPaulFlix and RonPaul2008DotCom!



All the reader has to do is watch these videos and they should then realize exactly how right Ron Paul and liberty really are! If the statist continues to argue their point, then they either didn't watch the video or didn't understand it like you do, and you must tell them this.

II. Whenever arguing about health care or abortion rights, always remember to reference the "Dr." before Ron Paul's name (however it can be used anywhere). But particularly, this gives him way more credibility in these fields. It gives him an omniscient-like understanding of a woman's uterus and emergency rooms like no other being on Earth, therefore his principled stance MUST be right.

III. Aside from the military and, of course, the courts, there are almost no circumstances where the government can manage something better than private ownership... no matter how big or daunting. And even if so, refer to the State or locality that assuredly knows better and somehow has the money. See that way, we can eliminate a lot of Federal agencies like the DOE, FEMA and yes, those pesky national parks. Here's an example on how to argue your principled stance:

Statist: Ron Paul wants to eliminate federal land like Yellowstone National Park and the Grand Canyon. Teddy Roosevelt would be rolling in his grave.

RonPaul2012: Doctor Paul's argument is for private land ownership!! And no human rights can exist without property rights. Since raw goods are produced by the mind and effort of great individuals, and if that individual producer does not own the result of his effort, he does not own his life. The fact that you can not grasp this fundamental concept is astounding and it demonstrates the failure of our public educational system!

Statist: But what about the Grand Canyon and the beauty it possesses? Imagine if mining efforts and the Arizona Territory had their way in 1903. The Canyon would be completely stripped and high rise condos would be in its place today. The federal government ensures the conservation of these lands and also provides economic activity to those states such as fishing, camping, tourism, etc.

RonPaul2012: No, individual States are better at dealing with their own money than having the Federal Government or greedy hands of Congress dictate how MY money is allocated to other states I will never visit. Let the states manage themselves the way the Constitution of the United States of America was intended. There are some quotes by Jefferson and some other founders expressing this exact states rights point. I will google them.. hold on.

IV. Then when it really gets sticky, and the communists are talking about economic issues, you can easily deflect their points with convoluted definitions and talking points. Here are a few examples you may copy and paste:

"It wasn't the hedge fund managers, it was the government. See, this was never capitalism, this was corporatism or fascism. Don't confuse capitalism with cronyism and corporatism, thanks."

"The U.S. has never been a Capitalist country in its truest sense. A system of capitalism presumes sound money, not fiat money manipulated by a central Jewish bank. You must read a few books and come back to this discussion at another time."

Eliminate the Social Security Number, Get EIN Instead, Now!

CLF Announcement

In honor of Dr. Rand Paul's amazing victory on super Super Tuesday, I am making decision to change Winston's avatar to that of Dr. Rand Paul. Winston has previously expressed his admiration for one Alex Jones. Good ole Alex has even publicly announced his donation to the Paul campaign. Here's a pic I have of the two.


Seeing that Rand Paul has come to the correct opinions with regards to the Civil Rights Act (at least one of the titles), the Fair Housing Act, the American's With Disability Act, the EPA, the Department of Education, Obama-style takeover of our health care system (especially the ramming part of it), etc. etc., I must also assume that Alex Jones shares those views. I have not heard much of Alex, I usually just rely on what Winston tells me. And most of it sounds just plain smart, especially to a rock-ribbed Christian Conservative like me. I also approve of his pointing at the camera. That just looks cool.

I will assume that Mr. Paul will correct his views on Israel, foreign interventions, and a willingness to appear on lefty, lesbian, latte-sipping, limousine liberal shows. He has already done a good job by blaming Rachel Maddow for his failures in the interview the other night. It was abusive to keep asking the same question over and over, especially since Dr. Rand Paul is so clear on the issue.

Clearly, he only has a problem with only one of the titles of the Civil Rights Act. The part about banning discrimination for private businesses. Its only a problem if the federal government does it, that is for sure. Dr. Paul even said he'd have voted for the Act, because the South had all those problems in the 1960's. I'm sure noting the location and timeframe when the racial discrimination took place says absolutely nothing about his views with respect to the Act in the current time and place. Plus, he even said he would have walked hand in hand with MLK had he not been 2 years old. He couldn't walk in a march then, his legs would have been too small. I have taken some of my step-nephews with me to a Tea Party rally, I know how hard it is for the youngins. Plus, they were just terrible the whole time, so that is a mistake I won't make again.

Rand Paul + Sarah Palin = Just Plain Smart Also Too

Well it's just goes without saying, doesn't it?

Jim Bunning, Rand Paul, and a discussion of Libertarianism

In light of the news of our new hero Jim Bunning, former baseball pitcher and all around swell guy, standing up to Obama's economy of reckless spending, I would like to lead into a discourse about the perfect philosophy for everything that is "Libertarianism."

Dr. Rand Paul, son of the very independent and so NOT Republican Dr. Ron Paul, has come out to support Bunning in his efforts to stop unemployment benefits. Unemployment benefits are a form of government activism that entails too much of my tax dollars and desires to keep people unemployed indefinitely. End of story.

Dr. Rand Paul, as you know, is named after novelist Ayn Rand. Ayn Rand wrote fictitious stories about the plights of those who sought moral objectivism for the world around them. Her fiction ultimately created a real life philosophical following. A philosophy that insists that a man's happiness and free markets solve every single problem, which the Paul's have been strong proponents of. It's like taking Stephen King's novel "Carrie" and creating a philosophy to live by after high school bullies poured pig blood all over you. Sometimes it just takes the imagination of a writer to show you what is right and wrong.

Libertarians live by five basic tenants that can never be disputed. First, property is sacred. Above all, a man's home and land are his and his alone. He can do what he wants with them. He can start fires on his lawn if he so chooses or decide to have an elephant as a pet. To deny a man his happiness of fire and large animals is to deny his very being.

Second, any and all government is bad - except cops, the military, and judges. They will solve any dispute anyone has, such as when the man's lawn fire creeps over into his neighbors yard. All the neighbor has to do is go to court and hope the man doesn't have a ton of money for defense lawyers. Usually that is not the case, so problem solved.

Third, capitalism and capitalist are noble heroes. The system of capitalism and those who engage in it create an efficient and fool proof system of economics. When prices on any given product get too high, anyone can simply enter the market, create competition, and voila! prices go down. I mean, it's just that simple. It's only when government sticks their noses in that creates monopolies.

Fourth, worker activism is totally evil. The Corporation creates jobs for people. People should be thankful someone started up a company and gave them a job. End of story.

That brings us to our fifth and final tenant, that the poor are good-for-nothing wastes on society. This is exactly what Bunning and the Paul's are trying to say when they are denying unemployment benefits. Those people are unemployed because they want to be and because they'd rather sit on their fat asses and watch Maury Povich on their big screen TV's all day. This business about unemployment being high right now is just because the Obama Government includes all those people who are no longer looking for work - you know, those who'd rather be lazy! The Bush Administration never included those people in their unemployment numbers because they don't count. That's why unemployment was really low back then.

Whenever someone tries to dispute these five basic tenants of Libertarianism by giving examples of its lack of real world success - like for instance Pinochet's Chile, or deregulation of the financial industry - you must insist that those economies were not free enough. You must inform them that had Chris Dodd and Barney Frank not install Frannie and Freddie, none of the financial collapse would have happened. It was *because* of government interference, that actually caused the collapse. You must insist that because Pinochet was a dictator that he alone caused Chile's huge wealth disparity and annihilation of their middle class. It will only be until there is a completely free market, with absolutely no government interference, that true Libertopia can prosper. This absolutely free and untested economic system has great rhetorical appeal, and will surely win arguments.

So you see why we support Jim Bunning and the Paul's. It's great to have truly independent thinkers like them to change our totally socialist economy.

Ron Paul is a True Conservative

Ron Paul is a true conservative. Through and through. That just had to be said again. That's why libertarians are conservatively consistent, sound, logical, simplistical, and not like Bush. But the liberal media and hollyweird just love it when true conservatives are made fun of. As in the new "Bruno" movie. I'm sure the liberals were hoping that they could get something to burn Ron Paul with.




It appears most of today's so-called comedy loves to attack conservatives. Except that one show on Fox news where they were masters of satire, "The 1/2 Hour News Hour." As for liberals, they get off lightly. Just compare the kind of "comedy" about Bush vs. the kind of "comedy" against Obama. With Bush it was a no holds barred hit, but with Obama, not so much. It's because Bush was just too smart while Obama is an easy target so they have to sympathize... like not attacking retarded people because that's just way too easy.

I love Ron Paul because he is totally on target when he says that government run-socialized-and thus rationed-healthcare is "not a right." It's only a right if you are a member Congress and get government healthcare from tax payers. Besides, healthcare is just like a cellphone, or a big screen TV.

Join Joe and CLF in Abolishing the IRS COMPLETELY!

I think it's pretty obvious that governmental wasting of our tax dollars on petty things such as roads, national parks, public schools, and natural disasters are, well, wasteful! And don't get me started on the high corporate tax rate - the highest in the industrialized world - even though corporations don't really pay taxes. They pass them onto the consumer and conveniently have negative net incomes at the end of the tax year. Still, the rate is way too high.

The government has no business to be in OUR business, even if it means making sure road culverts remain stable and/or fixed. Please take three minutes and thirty nine seconds to view this video below and tell me you can't lay down a couple 2X12's and make it over just fine!





Us taxpayers would much rather take care of this non-issue ourselves rather than depend on government bureaucrats to pay triple the cost and take months to complete.

Joe the Plumber, Economist, War Correspondent, and Labor Abolitionist has yet again spoken to the common man and come up with some pretty darn good ideas. So go and vote and be a true American common person too. It only costs 99 cents per vote and all proceeds go to paying Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher's back taxes.